Part 3: The unresolved end of what rasa Srila Prabhupada is in

10957596_956715527695049_1708153342469911194_oAfter Gurudeva’s disappearance many in his sangha sought the association of Srila Bhakti Vijnana Barathi Maharaja. He came out with a small statement that’s available on soundcloud (with transcription) in regards to this issue. It has been taken as proof by the party who believe Srila Gurudevas statements about SP being a manjari that Gurudeva is correct and the statements of Krishna-Balarama mandir is wrong.

It seems that he is regarded as a pure devotee, and therefore I believe that if he had spoken of this issue, I would have accepted it. What I got from the message was… something else.

First off, it’s Srila Bhakti Vijnana Bharati Maharaja’s prerogative to not go into this debate any more than what he wants. I certainly respect that.

Srila Bhakti Vijnana Bharati Maharaja: Dhrsta means ‘talking [about that] which is beyond my capacity.’

Madhava-priya dasa: Not in adhikara (qualification).

Srila Bhakti Vijnana Bharati Maharaja: Adhikara.

Madhava-priya dasa: Speaking something which is beyond one’s adhikara. So Maharaja said, “I never ever do that. That is my principle.”

The biggest gem he disclosed was that we shouldn’t speak beyond one’s adhikara. This discussion is certainly above 99,9 % of us, so it’s fitting. So may be that’s the reason why he didn’t talk about SP’s rasa at all. No disclosure at all. No explanation, only that he wish to neglect the whole issue.

The reason why his statements are viewed upon as a confirmation is because of his rather harsh refutation of Krishna-Balarama mandirs statements.

Srila Bhakti Vijnana Bharati Maharaja: Yes. Svami Maharaja is our guru-varga. I never dared [to make] any statement about them [meaning all guru-varga.] That is my principle.

Madhava-priya dasa: Maharaja is saying, “According to my principle, I never ever speak anything about any of my guru-varga regarding these svarupa things at all. What to speak of Svami Maharaja, I have never spoken about my Guru Maharaja or any other guru-varga at all regarding this.”

Srila Bhakti Vijnana Bharati Maharaja: Yes. So, if anybody speaks like that [that I have said something about his svarupa], it is his own mental concoction.


Srila Bhakti Vijnana Bharati Maharaja [speaks in Bengali]: Yes, I said, regarding the view of these kinds of people, I am not willing to waste my time.

Madhava-priya dasa: He is saying that “According to my understanding, whatever they are speaking in my name, I don’t want to waste even a single moment to give the answer as to why they are using my name. That’s their own thing. I don’t want to discuss it.”

Srila Bhakti Vijnana Bharati Maharaja: [speaks in Bengali] I can say one more thing. I don’t consider them worthy of being my opponents, so I will just neglect them.
Madhava-priya dasa (translating): “They are not even such people whom I can even consider an opponent, or feel even bound to give an answer to whatever they speak. Why? Because giving them that position even will be making them too much superior; why would I do that?”


So Maharaja is saying that “The words which are going on, and that I am hearing about these things, I don’t even consider they are fit to be my opponent, and that I have to answer them.”

Srila Bhakti Vijnana Bharati Maharaja: Neglect.

Madhava-priya dasa: Maharaja is saying, “Just neglect whatever they say, or what I have to do with that.” This is what Maharaja wanted to speak.


I must say I was surprised to hear these words. They are rather harsh towards Krishna-Balarama mandira. It seems like he’s not happy about being dragged into this debate and therefore he has such harsh statements. Though he makes it very clear that he has never uttered anything about SPs svarupa.

So no resolution on this debate. Only that he wishes to neglect the issue.


(I must state that I may be a bit partial in this debate, because my last stay in Vrindavin in 2005 was in Krishna-Balarama mandira.)


8 thoughts on “Part 3: The unresolved end of what rasa Srila Prabhupada is in

  1. I’m jealous! I also want to meet Srimati Krishna-priya didi and Sripad Madhusudana Maharaja! I got thrilled reading about them.

    I have had the fortune to meet Srila Bharati Maharaja though.

    • Well, I met them but I didn’t really have their association. I was too novice and ignorant to understand and appreciate the opportunity I got. Which is sad, since today things would be very different.

      How nice! I would have loved to meet Srila Bharati Maharaja.

  2. “…Nityalila pravista PP Trivikrama M then advised Smti Krsna-priya didi to get a separate asram for Bv Madhusudana Maharaja, whom he said would become a great sadhu. I have no agenda to try to establish the superiority of anyone. I only know where I get my spiritual inspiration and nourishment since our Gurudeva departed. And, having had the good fortune of following 3 mahabhagavatas, I almost pride myself to have a nose for the kind of atmosphere they create.”

    -Sripad Suddhadvaiti Maharaja

    • That is a very nice quote.

      It also speaks volumes of how now large parts of Srila Gurudeva’s sanga will avoid the association of these two devotees. It’s beyond my understanding and heartbreaking.

  3. I found this quote on the final statement from Krishna Balarama Mandir:

    “Yes he´s rupanuga and in madhurya-bhava and manjari mood as a member of the kinkari group of Srimati Radhika. (See Gurudeva´s hindi translation of Radha-krsna ganodesa dipika, 194 to 198) in male form.”

    … wish I read Hindi.

    …. I just looked in my bookcase. I can’t believe that I actually found the book there (the english one)!

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