Timeline of the controversy: The rasa of Srila Prabhupada

This is my effort to link to all resources/viewpoints from all sides of this issue and it’s easiest to do when its in notes/letters form instead of facebook status. I will without doubt have missed a lot of the points, so please share what I’ve missed and I will add it. Whatever I have left out has not been on purpose, but because of the disorganized nature of Facebook discussions.

On the bottom there is direct statements/evidence that doesn’t fit in the timeline.

This is the story of how this controversy began: Proper faith in guru is the backbone of bhakti (Local version)

04th march 2015 – KBM: In the Transcendental World All are Very Sweet (Local version)

06th march 2015 – Damodar Maharaja: Did Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja ever reveal the svarup of Srila Prabhupad? (Local version )

11th march 2015 – Damodar Maharaja: Jaladutha (Local version)

15th March 2015 – Nemi Maharaja: Comment on their process for obtaining and spreading spiritual knowledge (Local version)

14th March 2015 – KBM and associated preachers is banned from preaching in North American Sanga’s of Srila B.V. Narayan Maharaja (called Bhakti America). Bhakti America Statement. (Local version)

18th march 2015 – BV Suddhadvaiti Maharaja: An answer to Sripad Nemi Maharaja (Local version)

18th march 2015: BV Suddhadvaiti Swami: A rebuttal to Mukunda Dasa’s commentary on Srila Swami Maharaja’s Prayers on the Jaladuta (Local version)

20th March 2015 – Damodar Maharaja: Is sannyasa-mantra only for those in the mood of the gopis? (Local version)

20th March 2015 – KBM: 20th March 2015 – CONCLUSIONS ON STHAYI-BHAVA (SVARUPA) & “NITYANANDA-SAKTI-AVESA” (Local version)

24th March 2015 – Mukunda prabhu: HOW TO UNDERSTAND THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA IS IN MADHURYA RASA BUT MANIFESTED SAKHYA PART 1

24th March 2015 – Mukunda prabhu: HOW TO UNDERSTAND PART II

25th March 2015 (Not confirmed date) Syamarani didi: Deliberation on The Jaladuta Prayers (Local version)

25th March 2015 – Srila Bharati Maharaja: Response to him being quoted as saying that Srila Prabhupada is in sakhya-rasa (Local version)

25th March 2015 – KBM: Final statement from, Rupanuga bhajana sthalli (Local version)

28th March 2015: Madana Gopal Dasa: A CLARIFICATION ABOUT PP SRILA BHARATI MAHARAJA’ STATEMENTS
Madana Gopal dasas contribution first appeared as anonymous: A clarification of the statement of PP Bharati Maharaja (Local version: 032815 Clarification)

31st March 2015 – Nemi Maharaja: Srila BR Sridhar Maharaja affirms our Srila Prabhupada’s manjari-bhava and preaching strategy (Local version)

01st April 2015 – Priya-narma sakhas are in madhurya-rasa and Rupanuga from Krishna Balaram Mandira (Local version: 040115 KBM)

01st April 2015 – KBM: PRIYA NARMA SAKHA SUBALA IS NOT SAMBHOGA-ICCHA-MAYI (IN SAMBHOGА-RASA). (Local version: 040115 KBM_2)

02nd April 2015 – KBM: OPEN THE DOOR FOR DHIRA-SAMIRA (Local version: 040215 KBM)

23rd April 2015: Prema Prayojan prabhu: Part 1: PRIYA-NARMA-SAKHAS are NOT in MADHURA-RASA  (Local version)

26th April 2015 – BV Damodar: SAKHI RUPENA BUT NOT SAKHI

18th May 2015 – PART TWO: THE PRIYA-NARMA-SAKHAS are NOT in MADHURA-RASA by Prema Prayojan prabhu (Local version)

29th May 2015 – KBM: Gurudeva Never Said Swamiji is a Manjari

02nd June 2015 – Tripurari Maharaja’s answer to Prem Prayojana Prabhu after the second question in this talk. (From 19 minutes out)

12th June 2015 – KBM: WE WANT GURUDEVA’S WORDS AND MOOD (Local version)

12th June 2015 – KBM: Be Honest, See Deeply (Local version)

14th June 2015 – Syamarani didi, editors and Bhagavat Maharaja: THE TRUTH OF HOW SRIMATI SYAMARANI EDITED THE BOOKS OF SRILA NARAYAN MAHARAJA (Local version)

15th June 2015 – KBM: KBM PROPER FAITH IN GURU IS THE BACKBONE OF BHAKTI final

02nd July 2015 – Nemi Maharaja: Krishna’s confidential cowherd boy friends (Local version)

06th July 2015 – Nemi Maharaja: Guru is One, Guru is Absolute (Local version)

12th July 2015 – Public statement from Gurudeva’s sanga (Public Statement Final)

16th July 2015 – KBM: SRILA A.C. BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI MAHARAJA REVEALS HIS SEVA ( Local version)

16th July 2015 – Damodar Maharaja: A reply to Back to Bhakti article……. (Local version 071615 ReplyPublicStatement)

23rd July 2015 – KBM: They are Unable to Touch Srila Gurudevas Heart

27th July 2015 – KBM: Now All That Remains Is To Pray for Grace

04th August 2015 – Nemi Maharaja: No title and since it’s not a note, it’s not possible to link to. (Local version) Nemi Maharaja quotes this article about Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura. This is response to KBM statement from 23rd July 2015 (question number 3). Audio file of the quote.

09th September 2015 – Nemi Maharaja: Part 1 – Srila Gurudeva relates to our Srila Prabhupada as a manjari in madhurya-rasa (Local version)

09th September 2015- Nemi Maharaja: Part 2 – Srila Gurudeva relates to our Srila Prabhupada as a manjari in madhurya-rasa (Local version

Evidences:

1991: Narayana Maharaja morning walk, what rasa was our Srila Prabhupada (last 5 minutes of the lecture)

1993: Narayana Maharaja lecture (33 minutes in)

2000: Syamarani didi: Is Srila Prabhupada In The Highest Rasa?

2008: 10:55 minutes in (Sripad Bhagavat Maharaja: This Sannyasi is saying that Srila Prabhupada my Swami Maharaja in in Sakhya rasa, he is a priya-nama-sakha. That is his conclusion. His idea. Srila Gurudeva: Oh, he is quitely wrong.)

25th April 2009: Bhagavat Maharaja: Srila Prabhupada is a Gopi

Nov/December 2010: Letter from Narayana Maharaja to Tripurari Swami where Tripurari Swami specifically asks about Srila Prabhupadas rasa. (Date is missing, but is estimated to be just before Gurudeva’s passing)

20th March 2015: Lilasuka Prabhus account of a private darsan with Srila Gurudeva (comment occurred in this post)

No date on this one: SRILA BV NARAYAN EXPLAINS WHERE WE WILL FIND ACARYAS IN THE SAKHYA MOOD


Lecture given by Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja in Badger, May 18, 2003 where Srila Gurudeva gives an indication of the svarupa of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami, ABHAYA -SAKHA, A priya narma sakha of Radha-Krsna:

“Bhajahu re mana has been a favorite bhajana in our guru-parampara, and Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja used to sing this song, weeping and his heart melting. Bhajahu re mana, sri nanda-nandana abhaya-caranaravinda re. He was meeting with the inner, transcendental meaning of his own name, and he used to weep.”


His Grace Bhakti Nandana Swami Maharaja (one if Sridhar Maharaja’s dicsciples) on how SP is a priya-narma sakha:


 

Sri Slokamrtam
sarva-bhüteñu yaù paçyed bhagavad-bhävam ätmanaù bhütäni bhagavaty ätmany eña bhägavatottamaù
SB 11.2.45/CC Madhya 22.72/JD ch. 7, 8

sarva-bhüteñu—within all beings; yaù—who; paçyet—sees; bhagavad-bhävam—mood or bhäva towards Bhagavän; ätmanaù—his own; bhütäni—and all beings; bhagavati ätmani— within Bhagavän; eñaù—that person; bhägavata-uttamaù—is the uttama Bhägavata.

One who sees his own bhagavad-bhäva, ecstatic mood of attraction towards Çré Kåñëacandra, in the hearts of all jévas (sarva-bhüteñu) and sees all beings within Çré Kåñëacandra is an uttama-bhägavata. (An uttama Vaiñëava perceives that all living beings love Bhagavän with the same particular feeling of transcendental love that he himself cherishes towards his iñöa-deva. He also perceives that Bhagavän feels a reciprocal attitude of love towards all living beings. An uttama Vaiñëava has no disposition other than this). (Jaiva Dharma)


 

Updates
24th June 2015: Added Mukunda prabhus notes.
22. july 2015 with the following:
Added note: Conclusions on Sthayi-Bhava and Nityananda-Sakti-Avesa (dated March 20, 2015)
Added note: Gurudeva Never Said Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja is a Manjari (dated May 29, 2015)
Added note: Proper Faith in Guru is the Backbone of Bhakti (dated June 15, 2015)
Changed: The first KBM paper on your Timeline is actually entitled In the Transcendental World All are Very Sweet, dated March 4, 2015.
Changed: The third KBM paper is entitled Priya Narma Sakha Subala is Not Sambhoga-Icchi-Mayi (in Sambhoga-Rasa). To Think so is Apasiddhanta.  The date needs to be corrected to April 1, 2015.
Changed: The original date on the 5th KBM paper entitled Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja Reveals His Seva is May 29, 2015.
Changed: Rebuttable to Mukunda dated March 18, 2015 was not generated by KBM, but by BV Suddhadvaiti Maharaja independently.
Added ban of KBM.
23rd July 2015: Added KBM paper
24th July 2015: Added lilasuka prabhus private darshan.
26th July 2015: Added Bhakti America statement
28th July 2015: Added KBM statement
04th July 2015: Added Nemi Maharaja statement, evidences
07th August 2015: Added SRILA BV NARAYAN EXPLAINS WHERE WE WILL FIND ACARYAS IN THE SAKHYA MOOD to evidence section
8th August 2015: More evidence
9th August 2015: Added Madana Gopal dasas statements in the evidence section.
24th August 2015: Added Bhakti Nandana Maharajas lecture on SP svarupa.
30th August 2015: Added postings by Bhagavat Maharaja and Syamarani didi in the evidence section.
10th September 2015: Added posting by Nemi Maharaja
19th September 2015: Added second post by Nemi Maharaja

3 thoughts on “Timeline of the controversy: The rasa of Srila Prabhupada

  1. Dandavats.

    The article by Sripad Nemi Maharaja is also in response to this:

    3. Where is there any un-interpreted (as-it-is) statement from Srila
    Gurudeva declaring our Srila Prabhupada to be a Sakha of any kind?

    “We´ll have to be rupanuga. Without rupanuga, without Rupamanjari,
    cannot serve to Radhika. There are also… you know that
    Subala, Sudan, they are priya narma sakhas. They are inclined
    to Srimati Radhika and they are pleased if Radhika and Krishna
    meet. But there are also some cowherds, priya narma sakhas
    for Candravali. They also ple… But Prabhupada was very much
    inclined to Srimati Radhika in favor of rupanuga. He was
    rupanuga.” (19931212_13 SB 10_31_15_16 CONT SB SSP DIS DAY
    WITH SDG Tape A)

    As KBM are trying to use this quote as evidence of Srila A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada being in Sakhya rasa.

    http://devotionalconfluence.klungvik.com/files/2015/07/They-are-Unable-to-Touch-Srila-Gurudevas-Heart.pdf

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