Diversity: Rasa of Srila Prabhupada

I’ve been caught up in the whole absolute vs relative issue, that I haven’t looked at the big picture. How much diversity is it within the Gaudiya Vaishnava community on philosophical issues? On what philosophical issues? How are we to understand and treat diversity? Does Krishna allow for diversity or is it all strictly siddhantical with one infallible truth?

Syamananda prabhu pointed out to me in a comment that Nemi Maharaja argues that KBM is in a different line from us:

It appears that the proponents of the sakhya-rasa theory have aligned themselves with a different line of descent from Srila Sarasvati Prabhupada, through through Srila Bhakti-jivana Janardana Maharaja to BV Madhusudana Maharaja. That is a matter of personal choice, but there are some special considerations in that case.

Nemi Maharaja

I’ve never heard of Sri Srimad Bhakti Jivan Janardan Gosvami Maharaja until now. Though, he’s credited in both our and isckon calendars. A little search tells me that he founded Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mission in 1987(?) (was founded by Sri Srimad Bhakti Vaibhava Puri Maharaj). Here’s a great lecture about His glories. It’s interesting to note the story where Narayana Maharaja took siksa from Jivan Janardan Maharaja.

In this lecture he uses so many titles: Gurudeva (Narayana Maharaja), param Gurudeva (which I think is Jivan Janardana Maharaja), Srila Prabhupada (Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura). It’s enough to make my head spin, and it seem to further confirm the point of the last blog post where BSST is titled Prabhupada.

So what makes Jivan Janardan Maharaja in a different line of descent? What special consideration is there?


I received some input from a reader that I’m adding:

Srila Bhakti Jivana Janardana Maharaj has his own mission, but i don’t remember exactly the name of it. it is not called Sri Krsna Caitanya mission.

Sri Krsna Caitanya Mission was founded by my Srila Gurudeva Om Visnupada 108 Sri Srimad Bhakti Vaibhava Puri Maharaj

links are here:
http://purimaharaj.com/pages/GuruMaharaj.htm
http://www.srikrishnachaitanya.org/SriKrishnaChaitanya/index.php

Srila Bhakti Jivana Janardana was the ONLY disciple who was by Srila PRabhupada allowed to discuss intimate pastimes of the Lord, such as Rasa lila etc.
he was the only one.

Otherwise Srila Prabhupada never allowed his discples to discuss this matters.

Such prominent Disciple was Srila Bhakti Jivana Janardana Maharaj.

Those who have even a glimpse of a relationship with him are directly being allowed into the Highest places. according to their own svarup of course, but touching all are allowed who come in touch with him.


Update 07th August 2015:
Syamananda Prabhu directed me towards a post by Anantacarya prabhu about the different lines in our sampradaya: SRILA BV NARAYAN EXPLAINS WHERE WE WILL FIND ACARYAS IN THE SAKHYA MOOD

“Any Acarya who is a follower of Sri Rupa is never in sakhya rasa. An Acarya who is in sakhya rasa will come in another line from Sri Nityananda Prabhu. If he is in vatsalya rasa, he comes in pusti marga from Vallabhacarya. He will come in the Sri Sampradaya if he is in aisvarya mood.”

So from this, how can it be stated that SP is in sakhya rasa when SP received diksa from Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura? What other line from Nityananda prabhu?

———–

There’s also this:

Paramananda Das I do not have the files of the discussions with Srila Sridhara Swami and his disciples. When I first discussed with Srila Narayana Maharaja in 1989 about Sthayi bhava , I questioned him that time if Srila Prabhupada was in priya narma sakha mood. He did not deny it. Later when Tamal Krsna Maharaja went there and the gopi bhava club tried to ban me from seeing Srila Narayana Maharaja, another story came out. Srila Gurudeva revealed my sthayibahva to me. I have gotten all I need from Srila Gurudeva.

 

17 thoughts on “Diversity: Rasa of Srila Prabhupada

  1. All glories to Om Vishnupad Srila Bhakti Jivana Janardan Gosvami Maharaja! From the flap of Madhusudan Maharaja’s book, The Glories of Yogamaya:

    “Srila Bhakti Jivana Janardana Goswami Maharaja left home at the age of seven. His background remains mysterious. No one knows exactly the village where he took birth in the state of Orissa. During his life he never revealed his parents’ name.’

    ‘From a young age he received much affection from his spiritual master, Jagad Guru Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati who named him Ananta Ram Brahmacari. He also had a very affectionate relationship with nitya-lila pravista Srila Bhakti Prajnana Kesava Gosvami Maharaja, and upon his disappearance, Srila Bhakti Jivana Janardana Maharaja acted as the siksa guru for the Gaudiya Vedanta Samiti, providing it with his affectionate guidance until he disappeared from this world in 1994.’

    ‘ He is considered a most elevated devotee who had boundless affection for Srimati Radharani and was famous for his great scholarship. Additionally, he established a Gaudiya math in Kharagpur and he is the initiating guru of the author of this book (Sripad Madhusudan Maharaja).’ ”

    Also Param gurudeva’s biography states that Param gurudeva installed his god brother, Bhakti Jivana Janardana’s Thakurji in his Kharagpur math. It reflects his close relationship with Param Gurudeva and also with Srila Gurudeva.

    Sripad Madhusudan Maharaj, who as a young boy was Srila Jivana Janardana’s personal servant prior to his departure from this world, says that Srila Gurudeva received his manjari mood from Srila Bhakti Jivana Janardana Maharaja. All glories!

    • Thank you, thank you, thank you Tamal Krsna Prabhu, Haridasi and Malati didis for bringing out Srila Janardana Maharaja in the light!

      I’m also happy to hear that there are writings of Sripad Madhusudana Maharaja. Are there any other books than this one about Yogamaya?

      • There are many books in hindi, but only Yogamaya and Glimpses of The Lord’s Astonishing Kindness are in english so far,
        more coming soon!

    • Not that I know of, but we can always send them to you if interested.
      Postage in Europe is around £10 and for the book you just need to pay it’s printing cost, that comes to £1.50 for Glimpses of The Lord’s Astonishing Kindness and £0.80 for Yogamayaji, can post all over the world.

      • This seems to fit in the preaching tactic section, because the Nityananda parivara is ALL about manjari bhava.

        There was a devotee named Dadu who in the mid-80’s came to Radha Kunda eager to get a mantra to perform bhajan for his cherished ragatmika, the priya-narma-sakha Ujjvala. He stayed at Radha Kunda for over two years. Sri Ananta Das Babaji of Nityananda parivara tried to convince Dadu that he will not find any sakhya rasa mantra in the Gaudiya sampradaya and should aspire for manjari bhava.

        Dadu was not deterred an instead went to live at ISKCON’s Krishna Balaram Mandir. He noted that Krishna-Balaram were in the center and had the tallest spire, and concluded that he should be able to attain sakhya rasa there.

  2. “So from this, how can it be stated that SP is in sakhya rasa when SP received diksa from Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura?”

    Not only that Srila A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada is himself an “Acharya who is a follower of Sri Rupa”.

    Srila Gurudeva is saying here that:

    “Any Acarya who is a follower of Sri Rupa is never in sakhya rasa.”

    So again I have to accept these words of Sri Guru, and many more, as circumstantial and open to interpretation to accept the Rupagnuga sakhya rasa siddhanta.

    In other words to accept the siddhanta of KBM the following words of Sri Guru have to be accepted as circumstantial:

    1. http://devotionalconfluence.klungvik.com/files/2015/07/030515_Anantacarya.pdf

    “Any Acarya who is a follower of Sri Rupa is never in sakhya rasa. An Acarya who is in sakhya rasa will come in another line from Sri Nityananda Prabhu.

    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkpP8S9wfDQ&feature=youtu.be

    “And he is nitya-siddha, not sadhana-siddha and he is certainly the maidservant of Srimati Radhika.”

    3:http://sbnmcd.org/all_mp3/2004/20040518_BADGER_ENG_PM_ANYABHILASITASUNYAM.mp3

    “(0:33:00 ish) even sakhya and vatsalya, they are raganuga, but not rupanuga.”

    4. http://sbnmcd.org/all_mp3/index.php?folder=MjAwOA==

    (From 10.55)

    “Sripad Bhagavat Maharaja: This Sanyassi is saying that Srila Prabhupada my Swami Maharaja in in Sakhya rasa, he is a priya-nama-sakha. That is his conclusion. His idea.

    Srila Gurudeva: Oh, he is quitely wrong. Wrong and wrong and wrong.

    ……….

    (After the “no harm” that is used to defend the Sakhya rasa position and Brajanath prabhu explaining sidhanta from Jaiva Dharma)

    Srila Gurudeva: Anyone can be like that, no harm, but actually for Swami ji he was not in this.”

    5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulvQarNR6jo

    From minuet 58:00.

    Especially at 59:06

    “‘Srila Gurudeva: “So he must be in what?”

    Crowd: “Manjari bhava.”

    Srila Gurudeva: “Must must must, no doubt.”‘

    6. Letters to Tripurari Swami. Stating the position of Srila A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.”

    Summary:

    Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja says that any “Acharya following Sri Rupa is never in sakhya rasa”. Srila Swami Prabhupada is a rupanuga acharya and anyone can think he is in sakhya rasa, but “he is not in this”. Srila Gurudeva states that the sanyassi who thinks that Srila Prabhupada is in sakhya rasa in “Quietely wrong wrong and wrong.” He also disagrees with Sripad Tripurari Maharajas position on this. Furthermore Srila Gurudeva explains that sakhya and vatsalya are raganuga not rupanuga. Finally Srila Gurudeva says that Srila Prabhupada is ” niya siddha” and “most certainly a maidservant of Radhadani” who, with no doubt “must must must be” in what? “Manjari bhava.”

    Ys.

    Bala das.

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