Mercy and cheating

‘Sadhu guru has two things kripa and vancana, mercy and cheating. So what you deserve will come to you. ‘

~His Divine Grace Srila Gour Govinda Swami Maharaja

When Krishna Priya didi met Gurudeva for the first time, she knew she had met her very best friend. Some time after I received Harinama from Gurudeva, I realized I was scared of him. It took me a couple of month where I meditated on this, because it seemed so strange to be scared of Gurudeva. It made no sense.

Then the understanding blossomed. I was scared of Gurudeva because somewhere deep in me I understood he could take away my material desires, and I didn’t want him to. I wanted both, spiritual progress and to keep my material life.

Now I understand better. I know that material desires aren’t ripped away from us, but slowly our interest in it vanish like cloudbanks in the sun.

During the debate about what rasa Srila Prabhupada has, I can’t say I was surprised about peoples reaction. It took me some time as well, to figure and work it out, but I genuinely wanted to understand the issue. I recognized that the jaladuta prayer showed sakhya rasa and so did everybody else, they just didn’t want to accept it. So the debate waged, and it became slowly clear to me who followed siddhanta and who didn’t. The philosophy wasn’t easy so I had full understanding that people struggled and didn’t accept the other party.


We just had confirmation by direct family members of Srila Gurudeva visiting our Krsna-Balarama asram that the fantastic stories told by Premananda dasa about Gurudeva’s childhood in his so-called biography are just that: stories without any basis: the dream of Gurudeva’s parents before his birth, his schoolmate bitten by a snake then brought back to life, the horse and the yogi, etc…All false, bogus, fabricated, No one in Tiwaripur ever heard about this!

But in the case of Premananda Prabhu, it’s pretty clear. It doesn’t take much thinking or research or anything really to understand that there is things in his stories that doesn’t add up. Still, people seem to not even read or accept it. They have put their faith one place and  ask no question and instead rather harshly disagrees with anything that say otherwise. I understand their position as Gurudeva has also said some very wonderful things about Premananda Prabhu, but one still have to deal with what doesn’t add up as well.

It has baffled me. I don’t understand this position, and that might be a good thing. But what does it tell me? That people want to be cheated? That even those who do so much service, isn’t really serious about Krishna consciousness?

In one sense I know this doesn’t matter at all, because the only one I can take care of is myself. I have to guard the seed my Gurudeva placed in me and make sure that the water it receives is genuine. But I always try to understand things. It’s like I can’t let things go until I have understood it and all aspects of it even when it lights up issues I don’t like about myself.

I don’t understand people. They baffle me. I’m getting the impression that most devotees from Gurudeva’s sanga want to be cheated. I don’t understand it.

The Cheating of Great Souls

That great souls cheat others may be astonishing to know, but it is a fact that great souls cheat others for a great cause. It is said that Lord Krishna also advised Yudhishthira to tell a lie before Dronacharya, and it was also for a great cause. The Lord wanted it, and therefore it was a great cause. Satisfaction of the Lord is the criterion of one who is bona fide, and the highest perfection of life is to satisfy the Lord by one’s occupational duty. That is the verdict of Gita and Bhagavatam. . . . 

To satisfy the Lord, anything is good, for it is in relation with the Absolute Truth. We also had the same opportunity to cheat the family members and leave home to engage in the service of Shrimad-Bhagavatam. Such cheating was necessary for a great cause, and there is no loss for any party in such transcendental fraud.

His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, purport to Bhagavatam 1.13.37

4 thoughts on “Mercy and cheating

  1. I’m still open to this being a case of “Mercy is independent from what ever the truth might be” (SNM), and “A devotee never cheats, whatever he does” (SP). What is the harm in Prabhuji’s statements? If I was an inspired follower of his, I don’t see why I would give up his guidance over some historical inaccuracies. It’s not uncommon for hagiographers to exaggerate.

    Still I think there is value to Suddhadvaiti Maharaja bringing this up. Because why is it ok for Prabhuji to do controversial things without being questioned, while KBM gets shunned and banned for explaining themselves when being attacked?

  2. There are some other very disturbing reports which I don’t think I will get into now. But apart from this, well, how many inaccuracies is allowed before one should react? And what should the reaction be?

    I think the problem is that he has many devoted followers who think he is high class, when that doesn’t seem to be the case. But this does not discount the wonderful service he is doing, but that one might not go to him for siddhanta. Isn’t that an appropriate distinction?

    I agree with your last statement 🙂

  3. Hare Krsna!

    In brief, the stories mentioned as unaccepted by Gurudeva’s family members were validated in various interviews the editors of Sri Guru Darsana with Sri Siddhanatha Tiwari. He said he had heard of them, however, he was only a child when Srila Gurudeva left home, what to speak of the fact that he wasn’t even born during Gurudeva’s childhood lila. So what family members specifically are not accepting the stories? Please be clear. Because we have it from Gurudeva’s brother, as well as from devotees who spoke long before to his parents. Did anyone interview Gurudeva’s parents and say the dream didn’t happen? Were the family members you mention born when Gurudeva lived in Tiwaripur? Also, it is not fantastic for Gurudeva to tell miraculous stories in his hari-katha, only when Vaisnavas repeat them? Gurudeva told the snake story and variations of it. He also told a story of a pot of gold that followed his relative from the Ganga home. Is that true? India is the land of mysticism, but empiricists always question supernatural experiences.

    I have first-person witnesses as well as family members of a young man here living in Mathura/Vrndavan who drowned and was under the Yamuna water for an entire hour before being pulled up, and then miraculously came back to life days later after Premananda Prabhu administered caranamrta and mahaprasada to him. You can interview the young man, Akash Prajapati, his family members, as well as locals of Mathura, who all verify the story.

    It is very difficult to have blind faith in mass with hundreds of devotees who spend year after year with Sripada Premananda Prabhu. The truth is self-evident. Devotees receive inspiration in their bhakti and service to Srila Gurudeva. What more do you want? You call their sincerity into question, saying they want to be cheated…you think they are that foolish? Why their lives, time, and energy. In the free world, Westerners do what they want, and if they want to spend time doing bhakti under guidance of a particular Vaisnava, why disturb them and point fingers? Please note that we do not criticize the devotees of Krsna-Balaram. If you provoke us, we will say that we disagree with your opinion of Prabhupada’s rasa, but we do not start personality attacks to the Vaisnavas you idolize.

    This page was brought to my consideration, so I have done my seva responding as quickly and politely as possible.

    Hare Krsna,

    Rasik Mohan Das

  4. Dandavat pranams, Rasik Mohan Dasa

    Thank you for your thoughful reply on this posting. I really appreciate it 🙂

    In regards to the family members, this is the statement of Damodar Maharaja:

    You mention that Narayana Majaraja has told a story of a pot of gold? Could you point to that lecture somewhere?

    There may be supernatural stories as you point out, and I have also heard from another devotee that Premananda Prabhu may have developed some mystical abilities. That being said, supernatural abilities is not bhakti.

    My reflections is based on second hand accounts which I have heard from others. My opinions do not necessarily reflect those connected to KBM though. I have recently come from KBM, but this blog post was written months (October) before I went to KBM (December). KBM can talk for themselves. I am an independent person who don’t have contact with any of the prominent preachers in the sanga. I may sometimes ask them for documentation when they make some specific claims, but other than that I still am independent. I rely on logic when I make my case and try to avoid making emotional appeals.

    This blog post (or any other) is not meant as an attack, more as a careful warning at most. This post is not meant to make people leave his sanga, but to make them think for themselves and become aware of the issues being present. If that means rejecting my reflections, I will consider that good if they do it with full awareness of the issues being presented.

    So I don’t question their sincerity, I think it’s good. But – one have to be careful where one places ones trust. I don’t think them foolish – if I did think so I would say so. But I am very careful about name calling on this blog because I see nothing good come out of it.

    I try to avoid putting labels on people as much as I can, so please don’t put opinions on me. One of the things I do is to write about the current events that can be quite uncomfortable for most people. It’s not easy to write about such things in a good way and on the way I will offend people though that is not my intention.

    Since this is at the end of my comment I want to really stress this point:
    I am independent and do not represent KBM.

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