Nemi Maharaja posted a new entry in regards to why he believe that Srila Prabhupada is a gopi. It’s a nice reflection on why he believes what he believes without the “fighting” or “we must defend” mentality.
I have truly appreciated and loved the feeling behind the last two postings he has. This is responses where the temperature has fallen in the debate and instead a loving mellow is seeping through. It’s just so nice! It’s so wonderful to admire the response of a person who you disagree with. It’s so lovely to admire how he presents his case. This is beauty.
I also very much appreciates that Nemi Maharaja kept his posting public. It takes a lot of strength to posts publically and spend the time dealing with comments, but Nemi Maharaja is doing the effort. There usually is a lot of inappropriate comments when they do so, but my take is that it’s an opportunity to work on an individual. There may be inappropriate comments, but by dealing with them authentically we can hopefully raise peoples awareness while still disagree. The bad side, we don’t see any change happening as this usually take a lot of time. I’m sorry to see that many devotees only posts controversial issues among their friends, though I do understand that dealing with the repercussions can be very hard.
So, let’s speak on the message again. Nemi Maharaja again goes back to the view that Gurudeva lied to his disciples. I’m sorry to see the word “lie” coming back. I slowly had to understand that this isn’t about lying, but that Gurudevas words can be intepreted both ways. Gurudeva speaks in a hidden way. So can we please instead use something other word than lying? For example, I used to refer to this debate as a “controversy” and “conflict”. I have moved away from those words and instead use “debate” and “discussion”. I saw how these words increase the division and conflict, and therefore I changed how I wrote. Words have power. We have a responsibility to consider how we use them. At least I hold myself responsible and to keep on improving how I relate.
“There are so many higher realities that Srila Prabhupada never talked about, because we were not ready.
In any case, Srila Gurudeva did not have to make up stories to attract us. He is not such a feeble and inept preacher.”
So very true. But didn’t Gurudeva explain Srila Prabhupada to the iskcon devotees and revealed so much understanding that was missing…. because you were not ready?
Is it so hard to imagine that may be the same can be true of Gurudeva. That there are so many higher realities that Gurudeva never talked about, because we are not ready? The rasa of Srila Prabhupada is one of these issues.
When we read the books of our acaryas, they reveal themselves and their mood. Each acarya sees the world through colored lenses. The color is the mood they have, so their understanding of madhurya is different depending on their mood. The Gopas know of the gopis and they know they have this madhurya mood, but their view on madhurya will be different.
But what is the meaning of madhurya? Madhurya means not to have any aisvarya. In madhurya you may have dasya-rasam, sakhya-rasam, vatsalya-rasam and sringara-rasam. Rasas are different. And those who spontaneously have an attachment toward a particular rasam they will cultivate it from the beginning and they will get it. Not all jivas must become madhurya-rasa or srngara-rasa devotees. But is is said that adya eva paro rasah-srngara rasam is the superior. Amongst all rasas, srngara-rasa is the supreme.
….For example, Dama and Sudama have their particular rasam with Krishna and those who are attracted by that rasan have to take them as their Gurus. Similarly those who have a tendency toward vatsalya-rasam have to accept Nanda or Yasoda as their Gurus. This in madhurya bhava. In this way the devotees will proceed.
Sri Guru-vani by Sri Srimad Bhakti Vaibhava Puri Gosvami Maharaja
Look at how Puri Maharaja define madhurya. No talk on manjaris etc. Acaryas writing and definitions reflects what mood (and understanding) they have. If you are a gopa, wouldn’t you consider your mood to be the highest and best? If you are a manjari, wouldn’t you consider your mood to be the highest? A manjari and a gopa meets and they begin to bicker about which mood is the highest. A gopa will say: “I built the temple with the highest point, so our mood is the best”. A manjari will say: “Krishna goes away from the temple to meet our svamini, so our temple attracts Krishna more”. So it will continue and it will be lovely because it’s a transcendental bickering.
Acaryas understand the vedas based on their mood. This understanding is important for us sadhakas so that we can get closer in understanding our sadhu-sanga.